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Assange in Sweden: Hiding Marie Thorn
More new questions than answers.
STOCKHOLM (Rixstep) — Following is the official police protocol for the 'testimony' of Sofia Wilén's work colleague Marie Thorn from 27 October 2010, the last interrogation in the files for 2010 sent to Belmarsh.
Comments by Flashback member 'PlanBoksBok' can serve as an introduction.
The confusion starts already on 1 September 2010 when Marianne Ny reopens the Wilén case that Eva Finné already closed. And in Anna Ardin's case, Marianne Ny goes from molestation to fluff things up to encompass everything in the police report. So where Eva Finné saw an allegation of molestation, Marianne Ny squeezes in five instances of molestation and a new allegation of sexual coercion.
But that took a while, as she waited until 27 September to add the allegation of sexual coercion. 27 September: the day Assange flew to Berlin, the same day she issued that secret warrant. In other words: when she contacts Björn Hurtig on 21/22 September and says she'd like to interview Assange, there's no allegation of sexual coercion.
Even the kindest interpretation can't claim that Marianne Ny's been in much of a hurry with her investigation. As regards the interview with Marie Thorn: this doesn't take place until 27 October.
But that makes sense: the SMS traffic between Marie and Wilén contains the crucial (exculpatory) evidence.
In one message, they talk about finding a good way to exact revenge on Assange. In another, they talk about contacting the tabloid Expressen, because Assange has been interviewed by the competing tabloid Aftonbladet. And then an interview with Marie, where details emerge which are definitely to Assange's benefit.
But the 'objective' Marianne Ny wants that as late as possible in the investigation.
It's unbelievably annoying/frustrating to see how Marianne Ny handles this evidence and the SMS messages.
Things that are to Assange's advantage are hidden away in 'sealed documents'. And it's likely that those sealed documents completely destroy the credibility of Marianne Ny's so-called 'rape case'.
Marianne Ny has never planned to bring charges, to bring the case to court. Not any more than she did in the case of Anna Ardin. Marianne Ny only wants to give the appearance of moving the case forward.
We have a Swedish prosecutor who lies and hypes her case by always pointing out how serious the case is. Julian Assange was forced to be in Sweden so that she could investigate these serious crimes. Interview by telephone isn't good enough, neither is interview by video link, because the alleged crimes are so serious.
Marianne Ny obviously knows her case is weak. And she knows it's her responsibility to move the case forward. Everything seems to have been orchestrated according to the following:
'Even if the accused is innocent and can't be found guilty in a court of law, I can still punish him with arrest warrants and detention.'
It'd turn out to be rather easy with a suspect with the name Julian Assange. Cheered on by Claes Borgström, and with the support of the district and appellate courts.
Marianne Ny's understood the game from the get-go.
There's been no official criticism of Marianne Ny, and there won't be any either. Because a prosecutor is untouchable, and the prosecutor always knows best. So no one can interfere. And no release of documents in the investigation when this circus finally ends. Oh no. We'll just blame it all on Julian Assange and we'll use the biggest and fattest 'TOP SECRET' stamp we can find.
Testimony of Marie Thorn 27 October 2010 17:00-17:25
Marie said she was a work colleague of Sofia's at the natural history museum where they both had hourly wages.
Sofia spoke some weeks earlier with Marie about her interest in wikileaks [sic] and Julian Assange. Sofia read a lot about the organisation on the Internet and she thought Julian Assange was very interesting as he seemed very intelligent and did good things.
Marie heard that Sofia got a seat at the lecture Julian was to hold in Stockholm. Sofia told her she'd mailed the arrangers and been granted admission. She was very excited and nervous before the lecture. Marie said they'd had contact on the day of the lecture. Sofia was happy and excited when she was on her way to the lecture.
Marie received several SMS messages from Sofia during the lecture, amongst other things that she was supposed to purchase a cable for Julian's computer and later that Sofia would be eating lunch with him. For example Marie received an SMS message that read: 'he looked at me'.
Later Marie learned that Sofia would be taking Julian to the museum where she worked in the information department. They arrived and Sofia borrowed Marie's badge. Marie discovered she needed the badge and went into the staff room where they were sitting. Julian sat and was surfing on the Internet and Sofia sat next to him. Then they went into Cosmonova to see the movie. When they came out after the movie Sofia told her She [sic] and Julian had been making out inside Cosmonova.
Marie said they had a lot of contact and she doesn't remember what was sent via SMS or if they spoke on the telephone. She knows Sofia was waiting for Julian on an occasion and that they traveled to Enköping. The night of the incident Marie was lying asleep and awakened when she received SMS messages from Sofia. What Marie remembers the contents weren't positive. That it had been bad sex, that Julian was nuts. That she has to go test herself because of his long foreplay. In the morning Marie recollects that they spoke with one another when Sofia was in the store to buy breakfast. Sofia was pissed that she had to buy everything and treat to breakfast as well as cater to him. She was bothered by him.
Marie didn't get to hear about the assault until the day after or if it was two days after and got the impression Sofia was very worried she could have been infected. Sofia told her then that she'd told Julian she could be pregnant so Julian said it was nothing to worry about and they'd name the child 'Afghanistan'. He'd pay off her student loans if she kept the baby.
They talked a bit when Sofia had gone to the police and the media blitz began. Sofia was very upset over the media attention and was mad with Julian. They spoke and sent SMS messages to each other. Marie doesn't remember directly what they said or wrote, but that they spoke about going to Expressen, this because Julian had spoken to Aftonbladet. This was only something they said and they had no intention of actually doing it. Marie has in any case not spoken with any newspaper.
Marie said Sofia had been contacted by a newspaper in the US and then Marie joked with Sofia about asking for a lot of money.
The chief interrogator asked about the SMS message when Marie wrote that they have to figure out a good plan of revenge.
Marie said that this wasn't either something they planned to do. It was more an expression for Sofia's frustration. Marie has tried to support and agree with Sofia in their conversations. She wanted to help Sofia in a difficult situation.
Marie also wants to point out that she's spoken so much with Sofia that it's difficult to remember what was said and what was not said. Marie wants to point out that when Sofia was at the hospital and went to the police, things didn't turn out as Sofia wanted. She only wanted Julian to test himself. She felt she'd been overrun by the police and others around her.
Read back and approved.
I'm so sick of it all. Will it never end? At any rate I want to say the other girl's just as much to blame.
- Anna Ardin
Apparently Swedish laws are unique. If you have a penis you're half a rapist before you even get through customs.
- Scott Adams
If I am able to reveal what I know, everyone will realise this is all a charade. If I could tell the British courts, I suspect it would make extradition a moot point.
- Björn Hurtig
I can tell you that the Swedish prosecution still hasn't provided copies of those SMS texts that have been referred to. Those texts are some of the most powerful exculpatory evidence. In Australia prosecutors have a very grave duty to disclose such evidence to courts when seeking the grave exercise of a court's power against an individual. Yet in Sweden in this case, in the first hearings to obtain an arrest warrant, those texts were not submitted to the Swedish court, which is highly improper.
- James Catlin
The prosecutor could achieve this broadening of the law during Assange's trial so he can be convicted of a crime that didn't exist at the time he allegedly committed it. She would need to. There is no precedent for this. The Swedes are making it up as they go along.
- James Catlin
Julian Assange will surely learn that considering what WikiLeaks has published, he's got a few enemies in the Pentagon, the CIA, and the White House. Sweden began an investigation into rape which was later dismissed. Assange was even denied residence in Sweden. One can only speculate to what extent the security agencies of the US were involved. And considering the obvious interest of the US to silence WikiLeaks, is it likely Assange will have an accident of the 'Boston brakes' kind in the coming years? Or will he be snared with compromising information of the 'honey trap' kind?
- 'Drozd' at Flashback 23 October 2010
The truth will out, the truth wins out. Let no journalist ever again speculate into what the protocols say. Six months of digging and the people at Flashback have the actual documents. The sleaze printed by rags such as the Daily Mail, Sweden's Aftonbladet and Expressen, and perhaps above all the toxic Nick Davies of the Guardian, can stand no more. Yet more: these documents are an indictment of the 'news organisations' who've printed deliberate inaccuracies all along or even worse: refused to print anything at all. Nick Davies' account of the protocols was maliciously skewed; both Aftonbladet and Expressen had copies early on and printed nothing. Bloggers had copies but arrogantly kept the information to their Smeagol selves.
- The Assange Police Protocol: Translator's Note